1 00:00:43,430 --> 00:00:09,360 [Music] 2 00:00:46,310 --> 00:00:45,190 hello and welcome to the show i'm martin 3 00:00:48,310 --> 00:00:46,320 wilsher host 4 00:00:50,310 --> 00:00:48,320 and hey look i've got a what would this 5 00:00:51,110 --> 00:00:50,320 show be someone wrote something a while 6 00:00:53,350 --> 00:00:51,120 back 7 00:00:55,189 --> 00:00:53,360 um in youtube and i actually kind of 8 00:00:57,750 --> 00:00:55,199 laughed out loud as they say 9 00:00:59,349 --> 00:00:57,760 when i read it and they said what would 10 00:01:00,389 --> 00:00:59,359 we do if you didn't have technical 11 00:01:02,310 --> 00:01:00,399 problems 12 00:01:03,910 --> 00:01:02,320 you know we're so used to it so anyway i 13 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:03,920 bought uh the 14 00:01:07,030 --> 00:01:05,680 well what's considered the top of the 15 00:01:09,670 --> 00:01:07,040 line studio 16 00:01:11,230 --> 00:01:09,680 camera for um for doing these streams 17 00:01:15,429 --> 00:01:11,240 it's a logitech 18 00:01:19,590 --> 00:01:15,439 c920 automatic um 19 00:01:21,350 --> 00:01:19,600 i think it's uh you know uh 20 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:21,360 automatic everything on the thing and 21 00:01:25,510 --> 00:01:23,759 anyway uh if you're watching on youtube 22 00:01:28,469 --> 00:01:25,520 you can see that i'm flickering 23 00:01:29,830 --> 00:01:28,479 isn't that nice huh but anyway uh well 24 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:29,840 we'll get that straightened out by next 25 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:31,439 week i'm sure of it 26 00:01:34,710 --> 00:01:33,520 at least it's not an audio issue my 27 00:01:37,590 --> 00:01:34,720 guest tonight 28 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:37,600 is uh uh jonathan lace he's got a very 29 00:01:40,390 --> 00:01:39,119 interesting background 30 00:01:42,550 --> 00:01:40,400 he was in the air force we're going to 31 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:42,560 talk about his background and 32 00:01:46,149 --> 00:01:45,520 what got him interested in the ufo topic 33 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:46,159 and 34 00:01:49,990 --> 00:01:48,640 it should be great a great show this is 35 00:01:51,190 --> 00:01:50,000 going for an hour now this is a little 36 00:01:53,670 --> 00:01:51,200 different this week 37 00:01:54,469 --> 00:01:53,680 for those of you who love uh to watch 38 00:01:56,389 --> 00:01:54,479 the shows 39 00:01:57,749 --> 00:01:56,399 on youtube you're going to want to jump 40 00:02:00,950 --> 00:01:57,759 over to our next 41 00:02:02,069 --> 00:02:00,960 uh our next guest and that is up on our 42 00:02:03,670 --> 00:02:02,079 youtube channel 43 00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:03,680 and speaking of that you can subscribe 44 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:05,280 to that channel 45 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:08,399 and well um i had 46 00:02:12,150 --> 00:02:11,440 just shut down everything just before i 47 00:02:14,790 --> 00:02:12,160 went into 48 00:02:15,910 --> 00:02:14,800 the uh trying to fix this camera thing 49 00:02:18,150 --> 00:02:15,920 so 50 00:02:20,229 --> 00:02:18,160 uh i want to tell you the blog over at 51 00:02:23,830 --> 00:02:20,239 podcast ufo this week 52 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:23,840 is uh a wyoming elk hunter 53 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:26,560 takes a ride in a ufo and that's about a 54 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:27,360 story 55 00:02:32,390 --> 00:02:31,280 back in i think in the uh 1960s i think 56 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:32,400 it was 57 00:02:35,990 --> 00:02:35,360 actually 1974. uh check out the story 58 00:02:38,949 --> 00:02:36,000 it's a real 59 00:02:39,990 --> 00:02:38,959 fun a real another bizarre one uh 60 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:40,000 charles lear 61 00:02:43,589 --> 00:02:41,920 comes up with these great stories from 62 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:43,599 the past and so 63 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:45,200 uh a great reading had a lot of help 64 00:02:49,750 --> 00:02:47,040 from dave marlar on this one 65 00:02:50,869 --> 00:02:49,760 with some original documents all right 66 00:02:52,309 --> 00:02:50,879 so i'm not going to get used to the 67 00:02:54,229 --> 00:02:52,319 flickering but i'm going to be bringing 68 00:02:55,910 --> 00:02:54,239 in our guests in just a second 69 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:55,920 and i'll have them take over the screen 70 00:03:00,710 --> 00:02:57,280 so you don't have to watch this 71 00:03:02,070 --> 00:03:00,720 but i also want to say that if you check 72 00:03:03,830 --> 00:03:02,080 out our facebook page there's 73 00:03:05,270 --> 00:03:03,840 20 some odd thousand people over there 74 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:05,280 it's pretty active 75 00:03:10,790 --> 00:03:08,560 and um besides the blog i do want to 76 00:03:13,270 --> 00:03:10,800 thank everyone that supports the show 77 00:03:14,869 --> 00:03:13,280 and we've got some great new supporters 78 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:14,879 this week i want to 79 00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:16,480 give a little shout out thank you so 80 00:03:21,190 --> 00:03:19,040 much everyone 81 00:03:22,229 --> 00:03:21,200 for supporting the show i couldn't do it 82 00:03:24,789 --> 00:03:22,239 without you 83 00:03:27,229 --> 00:03:24,799 and anyone can support the show it's 84 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:27,239 over the link's over at our podcast 85 00:03:32,309 --> 00:03:29,360 ufo.com website 86 00:03:34,390 --> 00:03:32,319 and to get me flickering out of here i'm 87 00:03:36,949 --> 00:03:34,400 going to bring in our guest 88 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:36,959 welcome to the show hi martin thanks so 89 00:03:41,270 --> 00:03:38,080 much for having me 90 00:03:43,350 --> 00:03:41,280 yes jonathan um if you could 91 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:43,360 you have a real interesting background 92 00:03:47,670 --> 00:03:44,720 and let's hear about that 93 00:03:49,110 --> 00:03:47,680 um because it you were served in the air 94 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:49,120 force 95 00:03:53,190 --> 00:03:51,680 and uh but if you would give your 96 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:53,200 background if you would and how you get 97 00:03:59,429 --> 00:03:55,680 interested in the ufo topic 98 00:04:01,990 --> 00:03:59,439 sure thanks um so yeah so i grew up 99 00:04:04,070 --> 00:04:02,000 in the deep south i grew up in the delta 100 00:04:06,470 --> 00:04:04,080 region of arkansas 101 00:04:07,190 --> 00:04:06,480 and i entered the air force right out of 102 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:07,200 high school 103 00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:10,000 i served in the united states strategic 104 00:04:16,390 --> 00:04:11,040 command 105 00:04:17,110 --> 00:04:16,400 in omaha nebraska and we were the back 106 00:04:19,830 --> 00:04:17,120 up to 107 00:04:21,270 --> 00:04:19,840 norad north american aerospace defense 108 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:21,280 command 109 00:04:24,629 --> 00:04:23,190 and served there 110 00:04:27,749 --> 00:04:24,639 [Music] 111 00:04:30,469 --> 00:04:27,759 when i left i went 112 00:04:32,390 --> 00:04:30,479 into college uh went to the university 113 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:32,400 of arkansas at fayetteville 114 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:36,160 uh studied philosophy there and um 115 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:39,680 then i left and went to 116 00:04:43,830 --> 00:04:42,240 after i graduated i went to emory 117 00:04:45,670 --> 00:04:43,840 university in atlanta 118 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:45,680 and pursued something i'd always been 119 00:04:48,710 --> 00:04:47,280 interested in which was theological 120 00:04:52,150 --> 00:04:48,720 studies 121 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:52,160 and graduated there 122 00:04:58,550 --> 00:04:55,360 gosh in 2003 and then i 123 00:05:02,469 --> 00:04:58,560 moved to new jersey um 124 00:05:05,590 --> 00:05:02,479 in 2006 i've been here ever since 125 00:05:06,070 --> 00:05:05,600 and i currently teach computer science 126 00:05:08,310 --> 00:05:06,080 and 127 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:08,320 iphone app development at a local 128 00:05:13,029 --> 00:05:10,320 private school here in new jersey 129 00:05:14,950 --> 00:05:13,039 now when i was in the air force i was a 130 00:05:18,150 --> 00:05:14,960 computer systems operator we ran 131 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:18,160 ibm 9000 mainframes 132 00:05:21,909 --> 00:05:20,080 and if you've ever seen the movie clear 133 00:05:22,310 --> 00:05:21,919 in present danger there's one scene in 134 00:05:25,029 --> 00:05:22,320 which 135 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:25,039 jack ryan played by harrison ford is in 136 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:27,280 the cia talking to an analyst and behind 137 00:05:30,790 --> 00:05:28,160 him you can see this 138 00:05:31,990 --> 00:05:30,800 rotating arm and like this silo grabbing 139 00:05:33,590 --> 00:05:32,000 data tapes 140 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:33,600 that's what we worked with we actually 141 00:05:39,590 --> 00:05:36,160 built one of those when i was there 142 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:39,600 wow that's pretty amazing um 143 00:05:43,590 --> 00:05:42,720 and so what what got you interested i 144 00:05:45,909 --> 00:05:43,600 know you're you're 145 00:05:47,189 --> 00:05:45,919 uh the public relations officer i 146 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:47,199 believe that's your title 147 00:05:51,430 --> 00:05:50,800 to the seu and uh well i do want to talk 148 00:05:55,029 --> 00:05:51,440 about that 149 00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:55,039 program um but what how did you make 150 00:05:58,870 --> 00:05:58,000 the the i don't want to say the leap but 151 00:06:01,430 --> 00:05:58,880 uh 152 00:06:02,790 --> 00:06:01,440 you know what made you kind of get an in 153 00:06:04,870 --> 00:06:02,800 a strong enough interest 154 00:06:06,870 --> 00:06:04,880 in this to do something actually 155 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:06,880 publicly because that's what it is 156 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:09,759 sure yeah great question so when i was 157 00:06:12,390 --> 00:06:10,240 um 158 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:12,400 when i was a kid i had a love for 159 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:13,520 aerospace 160 00:06:18,629 --> 00:06:16,720 and um the space program you know i 161 00:06:21,430 --> 00:06:18,639 remember going to space camp when i was 162 00:06:22,950 --> 00:06:21,440 14 years old oh wow just having in 163 00:06:24,230 --> 00:06:22,960 huntsville alabama and just having the 164 00:06:25,350 --> 00:06:24,240 time in my life i want to give a shout 165 00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:25,360 out to rich hoffman 166 00:06:28,870 --> 00:06:27,840 uh he's on the board of the scu he's 167 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:28,880 from huntsville 168 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:32,800 but i went to space camp loved it 169 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:34,800 for various reasons i didn't pursue that 170 00:06:37,670 --> 00:06:36,240 one reason was because 171 00:06:39,590 --> 00:06:37,680 when i was in 10th grade i realized i 172 00:06:41,110 --> 00:06:39,600 had to have glasses and corrected vision 173 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:41,120 and at the time 174 00:06:45,430 --> 00:06:43,440 uh no branch of the military service was 175 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:45,440 accepting pilots with corrected vision 176 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:47,440 that has since changed but it wasn't at 177 00:06:52,469 --> 00:06:48,800 the time 178 00:06:54,150 --> 00:06:52,479 so i didn't pursue that and 179 00:06:56,790 --> 00:06:54,160 my whole life i've been interested in 180 00:06:59,990 --> 00:06:56,800 flying in aerospace et cetera 181 00:07:00,870 --> 00:07:00,000 and i remember as a teenager hearing 182 00:07:06,309 --> 00:07:00,880 stories 183 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:06,319 news and and reading various books about 184 00:07:11,670 --> 00:07:09,360 people who had reported seeing things um 185 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:11,680 that they could not explain 186 00:07:15,990 --> 00:07:14,880 and that was always just fascinating to 187 00:07:17,589 --> 00:07:16,000 me because 188 00:07:19,029 --> 00:07:17,599 i guess somewhere in the back of my mind 189 00:07:21,189 --> 00:07:19,039 i was thinking you know if our country 190 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:21,199 can put a man on the moon 191 00:07:26,070 --> 00:07:22,800 surely we would be able to identify 192 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:26,080 things that were terrestrial 193 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:29,520 um so i you know i read various books 194 00:07:35,350 --> 00:07:32,560 uh sort of kept uh kept my uh 195 00:07:37,510 --> 00:07:35,360 finger on the pulse of goings-on in the 196 00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:37,520 ufo world so to speak i remember 197 00:07:45,270 --> 00:07:42,960 there was a lot of um a lot of um 198 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:45,280 buzz about a particular clip from the 199 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:47,840 shuttle discovery on one of its missions 200 00:07:52,309 --> 00:07:49,680 showing what reported to be you know a 201 00:07:53,430 --> 00:07:52,319 uap or a ufo that was making a series of 202 00:07:57,350 --> 00:07:53,440 erratic movements 203 00:08:00,070 --> 00:07:57,360 in orbit around the earth um 204 00:08:00,469 --> 00:08:00,080 to make a long story short uh you know i 205 00:08:20,869 --> 00:08:00,479 i 206 00:08:24,830 --> 00:08:20,879 um and subsequent encounters um 207 00:08:27,589 --> 00:08:24,840 i believe in 2015 um that were that were 208 00:08:28,150 --> 00:08:27,599 documented by the new york times that 209 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:28,160 that 210 00:08:32,870 --> 00:08:30,960 occurred um with the carrier group 211 00:08:34,469 --> 00:08:32,880 nimitz in 2004 and i believe the 212 00:08:37,829 --> 00:08:34,479 theodore roosevelt 213 00:08:41,750 --> 00:08:37,839 yeah florida yeah yeah and 214 00:08:44,630 --> 00:08:41,760 those those incidents those stories 215 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:44,640 uh were very very compelling for me um 216 00:08:47,590 --> 00:08:45,760 and what was 217 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:47,600 what was particularly compelling was not 218 00:08:52,790 --> 00:08:50,240 only the eyewitness testimony of 219 00:08:54,949 --> 00:08:52,800 david fravor and other eyewitnesses to 220 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:54,959 the events 221 00:08:59,430 --> 00:08:57,120 but what's compelling for me was a 222 00:09:01,910 --> 00:08:59,440 statement by the defense department 223 00:09:03,750 --> 00:09:01,920 which basically admitted that our 224 00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:03,760 government really did not have any idea 225 00:09:10,550 --> 00:09:08,790 you know it does not serve our national 226 00:09:13,750 --> 00:09:10,560 interest to make such a statement 227 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:13,760 if it's not the truth yeah um 228 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:16,080 and you know from a national security 229 00:09:21,990 --> 00:09:18,000 perspective 230 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:22,000 if these objects um are not 231 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:25,120 otherworldly or not of you know 232 00:09:30,310 --> 00:09:27,680 uh extraterrestrial origin then our 233 00:09:31,990 --> 00:09:30,320 country should be very very concerned 234 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:32,000 because that that would mean that you 235 00:09:35,509 --> 00:09:34,000 know potential adversaries have 236 00:09:38,550 --> 00:09:35,519 technology that can just run 237 00:09:40,150 --> 00:09:38,560 circles around us right so when all that 238 00:09:40,630 --> 00:09:40,160 was starting to come out in the news i 239 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:40,640 really 240 00:09:48,310 --> 00:09:44,000 thought you know 241 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:48,320 it's people who report ufos i know that 242 00:09:52,389 --> 00:09:50,880 you know for various reasons many people 243 00:09:56,310 --> 00:09:52,399 in the field of ufology 244 00:09:57,990 --> 00:09:56,320 right um kind of conflate 245 00:10:00,230 --> 00:09:58,000 claims in other words they will take a 246 00:10:01,590 --> 00:10:00,240 legitimate claim that something or some 247 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:01,600 object 248 00:10:07,110 --> 00:10:05,600 has no plausible um you know terrestrial 249 00:10:10,069 --> 00:10:07,120 explanation or 250 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:10,079 or no current scientific explanation and 251 00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:11,200 sometimes 252 00:10:14,710 --> 00:10:12,480 i think people have a tendency to 253 00:10:15,670 --> 00:10:14,720 conflate that with more extravagant 254 00:10:19,430 --> 00:10:15,680 claims 255 00:10:21,750 --> 00:10:19,440 involving more paranormal activity 256 00:10:22,550 --> 00:10:21,760 and to sift through that can sometimes 257 00:10:29,590 --> 00:10:22,560 be 258 00:10:30,870 --> 00:10:29,600 and all you know about ufos is that you 259 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:30,880 know 260 00:10:39,430 --> 00:10:36,720 report them or 261 00:10:41,110 --> 00:10:39,440 or research them etc then you may have a 262 00:10:42,790 --> 00:10:41,120 tendency to sort of shy away from the 263 00:10:44,949 --> 00:10:42,800 topic altogether and sort of throw the 264 00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:44,959 baby out with the bathwater 265 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:47,360 uh but when the um when the new york 266 00:10:51,030 --> 00:10:48,160 times 267 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:51,040 um leslie keane and her team did the 268 00:10:54,710 --> 00:10:52,800 reporting on the nimitz and then 269 00:10:56,069 --> 00:10:54,720 and then the theodore roosevelt 270 00:10:57,269 --> 00:10:56,079 encounters 271 00:10:59,829 --> 00:10:57,279 and the statement by the department of 272 00:11:00,389 --> 00:10:59,839 defense that really grabbed my attention 273 00:11:07,190 --> 00:11:00,399 um 274 00:11:09,430 --> 00:11:07,200 i thought well you know 275 00:11:10,630 --> 00:11:09,440 this sort of elevates the conversation 276 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:10,640 quite a bit 277 00:11:14,550 --> 00:11:12,640 and it can't be just you know people 278 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:14,560 that are you know on the fringe or 279 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:16,240 people that are somewhat crazy or 280 00:11:20,389 --> 00:11:18,160 crackpots that that are 281 00:11:22,310 --> 00:11:20,399 that are seeing these things we now have 282 00:11:24,310 --> 00:11:22,320 trained military pilots 283 00:11:25,829 --> 00:11:24,320 um who are reporting this and we have 284 00:11:27,190 --> 00:11:25,839 official statements by the department of 285 00:11:28,870 --> 00:11:27,200 defense so 286 00:11:30,230 --> 00:11:28,880 all that to say i came to the conclusion 287 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:30,240 that there is definitely 288 00:11:35,990 --> 00:11:33,600 something that is occurring in our skies 289 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:36,000 and in some cases our oceans 290 00:11:39,509 --> 00:11:38,800 that defy explanation and i just found 291 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:39,519 that 292 00:11:43,910 --> 00:11:42,000 you know as a mystery to be extremely 293 00:11:47,750 --> 00:11:43,920 compelling so i wanted to 294 00:11:50,389 --> 00:11:47,760 reach out and look for organizations 295 00:11:51,750 --> 00:11:50,399 that approach the perspective sorry 296 00:11:53,430 --> 00:11:51,760 approach the phenomenon from a 297 00:11:55,829 --> 00:11:53,440 scientific perspective 298 00:11:56,629 --> 00:11:55,839 because that's you know that's something 299 00:12:03,269 --> 00:11:56,639 that i 300 00:12:05,990 --> 00:12:03,279 i'm not a i'm not i guess a 301 00:12:07,750 --> 00:12:06,000 a formal scientist by training but i i 302 00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:07,760 definitely respect the discipline 303 00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:10,000 uh sort of the hard sciences even though 304 00:12:13,670 --> 00:12:11,440 a lot of people don't consider computer 305 00:12:16,150 --> 00:12:13,680 science to be a real science um i 306 00:12:17,509 --> 00:12:16,160 certainly respect the scientific method 307 00:12:20,069 --> 00:12:17,519 and so when i started looking for 308 00:12:23,910 --> 00:12:20,079 organizations that were devoted to 309 00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:23,920 you know very high scientific standards 310 00:12:29,430 --> 00:12:27,040 of of um of analysis 311 00:12:31,190 --> 00:12:29,440 and evidentiary based claims uh there 312 00:12:32,230 --> 00:12:31,200 was really only one organization that i 313 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:32,240 discovered that 314 00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:34,639 met that criteria and that was the 315 00:12:39,670 --> 00:12:36,399 scientific coalition for ap 316 00:12:42,310 --> 00:12:39,680 uap studies and so i reached out 317 00:12:43,269 --> 00:12:42,320 and and i applied to become a member and 318 00:12:46,550 --> 00:12:43,279 was accepted 319 00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:46,560 and then yeah i started uh 320 00:12:49,670 --> 00:12:48,720 you know pursuing some writing for the 321 00:12:52,069 --> 00:12:49,680 scu 322 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:52,079 and actually had a project proposal for 323 00:12:56,949 --> 00:12:53,680 the scu 324 00:13:00,470 --> 00:12:56,959 and i found a a community of scientists 325 00:13:03,509 --> 00:13:00,480 that are fascinated by the unknown 326 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:03,519 and are dedicated to the the rigors of 327 00:13:07,509 --> 00:13:05,680 science to help answer that question 328 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:07,519 yes i'm very impressed with them i 329 00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:08,880 actually help 330 00:13:13,269 --> 00:13:10,880 behind the scenes quite a bit when they 331 00:13:14,230 --> 00:13:13,279 do their uh their streams now i want to 332 00:13:16,550 --> 00:13:14,240 pop this question 333 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:16,560 up because this is uh something i hear 334 00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:17,600 quite a bit 335 00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:20,480 and uh david is saying that mike barra 336 00:13:22,629 --> 00:13:21,120 um 337 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:22,639 heard the name but i'm not sure who that 338 00:13:28,069 --> 00:13:24,880 is say they were drones and i i want to 339 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:28,079 i want to argue that point now i do 340 00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:31,200 think it is possible that what was 341 00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:31,920 called the go 342 00:13:38,069 --> 00:13:35,360 fast of the three videos in a lock-on 343 00:13:38,790 --> 00:13:38,079 that there is some possibility that that 344 00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:38,800 might have been 345 00:13:42,069 --> 00:13:41,040 some type of high-speed drone i mean i 346 00:13:44,389 --> 00:13:42,079 can give 347 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:44,399 out of all three of them that but here's 348 00:13:49,110 --> 00:13:45,600 the the thing 349 00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:49,120 the navy when they officially release 350 00:13:51,509 --> 00:13:49,600 them 351 00:13:52,949 --> 00:13:51,519 they're saying that they don't know what 352 00:13:54,550 --> 00:13:52,959 they are right 353 00:13:55,990 --> 00:13:54,560 and if they're going to say that they're 354 00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:56,000 not going to make a fool out of 355 00:14:00,870 --> 00:13:57,360 themselves 356 00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:00,880 by uh not really looking into 357 00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:02,880 the possibilities of what these things 358 00:14:06,629 --> 00:14:03,920 could be 359 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:06,639 so um i'm hearing a lot of that um 360 00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:07,920 someone wrote me 361 00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:10,720 or wrote a comment the other day that 362 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:12,560 mark d'antonio who's actually a friend 363 00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:14,320 and i got to get a hold of him 364 00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:17,279 um has claimed that he's solved all of 365 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:18,639 all the three videos 366 00:14:22,710 --> 00:14:21,600 but and he is a photo and video an 367 00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:22,720 analyst for 368 00:14:26,389 --> 00:14:25,440 mufon but um again i i gotta give him a 369 00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:26,399 call and find out 370 00:14:30,550 --> 00:14:29,040 if that's really a true comment and he 371 00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:30,560 really is claiming to 372 00:14:33,829 --> 00:14:32,720 and if so i got to find out what he's 373 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:33,839 saying about them 374 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:36,320 because when it goes to the tic tac 375 00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:37,040 itself 376 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:40,160 the one off the coast of san diego 377 00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:44,160 um catalina or wherever it was out there 378 00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:47,600 the with all the different methods of 379 00:14:51,269 --> 00:14:50,560 data that they got for that those 380 00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:51,279 particular 381 00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:54,160 objects whatever they were you know uh 382 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:55,680 you know because you're involved with 383 00:15:04,069 --> 00:14:56,079 the 384 00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:04,079 as far as it doesn't fit 385 00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:06,880 into what we know of physics of how 386 00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:07,920 these things could 387 00:15:11,189 --> 00:15:09,839 do what they did and stay in one piece 388 00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:11,199 and 389 00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:15,600 with the no heat no 390 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:17,519 and i mean there's so many so many 391 00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:20,000 things that didn't make sense that 392 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,160 that it it just would be i think it's 393 00:15:27,189 --> 00:15:24,480 impossible for the tic tac 394 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:27,199 to be any type of drone i mean it 395 00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:31,829 and what are your general thoughts on 396 00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:33,600 that that one in particular 397 00:15:36,710 --> 00:15:35,680 yeah i've i've certainly seen that 398 00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:36,720 theory 399 00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:39,440 that it was a drone um i've seen in 400 00:15:42,550 --> 00:15:40,480 another theory 401 00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:42,560 uh this was published in forbes magazine 402 00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:44,639 that it was a laser induced plasma 403 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:46,240 filament basically a 404 00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:49,120 three-dimensional laser projection um 405 00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:49,839 you know 406 00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:52,880 when i listened to uh the description of 407 00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:55,199 the encounter by david fravor 408 00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:58,240 um and other witnesses like pj 409 00:16:01,829 --> 00:16:01,199 hughes yeah and and others who were part 410 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:01,839 of that 411 00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:09,040 especially on the nimitz in 2004 412 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:12,399 their descriptions do not match you know 413 00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:14,320 any known technology of drones that i'm 414 00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:15,519 aware of 415 00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,519 i'm not i'm not saying it's not but i'm 416 00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:19,440 just saying you know it doesn't seem to 417 00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:22,079 be consistent with what we know about 418 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:25,040 um drone technology today let me ask you 419 00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:26,480 this 420 00:16:30,069 --> 00:16:28,320 you said that one of the theories is 421 00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:30,079 it's laser induced 422 00:16:37,110 --> 00:16:31,759 plasma i believe said something like 423 00:16:40,550 --> 00:16:37,120 that yes would that show up on radar 424 00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:40,560 um it would uh 425 00:16:45,749 --> 00:16:43,680 show up on uh radar 426 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:45,759 and of course we don't have access to 427 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:47,040 the to the radar 428 00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:50,160 um i i'm not an expert on this by any 429 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:50,880 means 430 00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:54,240 um but the the the 431 00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:56,720 very brief research that i've done on 432 00:17:05,110 --> 00:16:57,519 that 433 00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:05,120 it it there's nothing there's no kind of 434 00:17:09,829 --> 00:17:06,720 technology 435 00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:09,839 that could replicate 436 00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:12,240 uh all the flight characteristics and 437 00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:14,799 all the em characteristics 438 00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:17,280 that have been described and that were 439 00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:18,640 observed 440 00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:21,120 by the eyewitnesses of the alleged 441 00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:21,839 incident 442 00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:23,919 um that would be consistent with any 443 00:17:29,590 --> 00:17:26,559 sort of you know laser induced 444 00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:29,600 3d object right right 445 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:33,120 and um excuse me as far as 446 00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:36,080 i want to get back to the subject um 447 00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:37,280 about science 448 00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:41,039 and ufos um when you first 449 00:17:46,070 --> 00:17:44,480 looked into hey you know is anyone that 450 00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:46,080 has some type of science background 451 00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:48,080 taking this seriously 452 00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:51,280 was it uh were you frustrated or did you 453 00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:52,160 find 454 00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:56,160 the seou quite quickly 455 00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:58,480 um i actually found them quite quickly 456 00:18:02,549 --> 00:17:59,200 and i found 457 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:02,559 i found them a midst of um you know some 458 00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,760 other organizations 459 00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:05,200 uh maybe that have been around for a 460 00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:07,200 little bit longer 461 00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:10,160 excuse me and um it was really important 462 00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:11,600 for me 463 00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:13,039 you know to associate with an 464 00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:14,640 organization that was 465 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:18,320 devoted to a very conservative rigorous 466 00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:21,120 approach to science one that would not 467 00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:22,000 be making 468 00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:25,520 unwarranted or you know 469 00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:27,039 extraordinary claims about a 470 00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:28,880 correspondent level of extraordinary 471 00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:30,240 proof 472 00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:33,360 and i found scu rather quickly 473 00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:35,440 and you know it was important for me not 474 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:36,640 only as a 475 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:41,750 but also as you said you know i mean 476 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,000 this is a very public role that 477 00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:46,240 that um that i eventually assume for the 478 00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:47,600 scu 479 00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:50,480 and as someone who serves in local 480 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:51,039 government 481 00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,640 right uh there is definitely um there's 482 00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:56,559 definitely a stigma 483 00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:00,640 attached to the ufo slash uap 484 00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:03,039 phenomenon in the public but it's that's 485 00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,600 particularly the case i think with 486 00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:07,679 people who serve in official capacities 487 00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:08,720 and even though 488 00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:10,160 you know being a member of the local 489 00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:12,960 borough council is not a huge 490 00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:14,480 uh you know it's not like being the 491 00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:16,160 governor of arizona or it's not being 492 00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:18,320 the president of the united states 493 00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,240 um and and we know that there have been 494 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:22,880 claims of ufos from you know 495 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,400 uh from those levels of government 496 00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:28,960 uh there is a stigma attached to it and 497 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:29,520 you know 498 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:33,600 when uh when you reached out for 499 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,600 for our our show tonight you know there 500 00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:36,960 was a little second thought in the back 501 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:38,240 of my head you know do you really want 502 00:19:43,510 --> 00:19:39,360 to be that public with 503 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:43,520 with uh uh with uh with you know 504 00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,200 talking talking openly about your 505 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:47,120 interest and your fascination with this 506 00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:48,480 topic 507 00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:51,280 um but i do believe that you know there 508 00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,000 are probably a lot 509 00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,919 of people like me that are out there at 510 00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:55,120 large 511 00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:57,840 um i tend to call them the pro-science 512 00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:59,039 public 513 00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,720 uh they may not be scientists by 514 00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:02,400 training by formal training but 515 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,080 they you know they remember the 516 00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,480 scientific method from high school 517 00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,120 um they they understand its value they 518 00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,440 trust in scientific institutions 519 00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:13,280 and they know the value of science and 520 00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:14,720 they they've seen 521 00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:17,919 the contributions of science you know 522 00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:21,200 over the years and so for me it's really 523 00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:22,000 important 524 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:26,720 that the scu not only engage 525 00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:31,120 with academia but also that the scu 526 00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:34,159 be really a voice for that segment of 527 00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:35,120 the population 528 00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,960 what i call the the pro-science public 529 00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,799 yeah i was wondering what what i heard 530 00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,200 that term pro-science public 531 00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:45,520 what and you think there's going to be 532 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:46,559 all along this 533 00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,320 just going to be great like uh relations 534 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,799 between the public and transparency with 535 00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,400 all the reporting 536 00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:56,480 it's all going to be available for 537 00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:57,520 anyone to come 538 00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,799 and take a look well i can tell you all 539 00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:02,880 the formal work that the scu does is 540 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:03,679 certainly open 541 00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,480 for uh peer review uh and it and our 542 00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:08,480 reports are published on our website 543 00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:11,760 and that's uh explorescu.org 544 00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:14,080 and has anyone peer reviewed anything as 545 00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,280 of yet 546 00:21:19,669 --> 00:21:17,520 do you know i don't know of any other 547 00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:19,679 institutions that have 548 00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:21,919 i do know the invitation is always open 549 00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:24,640 and i do know that there are 550 00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,240 um there are multiple people within 551 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:30,000 the scu that have put their names on 552 00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:31,760 reports i will say this i believe 553 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,480 that um i want to say robert powell 554 00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,880 kevin knuth and i think one maybe peter 555 00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,320 really did a 556 00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:41,919 did a piece that was published in a 557 00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,120 peer-reviewed journal um 558 00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,440 you know i confess i don't remember the 559 00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:49,039 name but right now off the top of my 560 00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,080 head 561 00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:53,360 but it is on our website and um it was 562 00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:53,760 uh 563 00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,960 i want to say it was a journal devoted 564 00:22:02,870 --> 00:21:58,480 to 565 00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,880 might not be accurate um but 566 00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,880 but that to say that that our members 567 00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,039 have published in peer-reviewed journals 568 00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,799 in the science the larger scientific 569 00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:10,799 community 570 00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:13,840 well um i think um well 571 00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,440 let me just ask you this do you think 572 00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:17,120 that 573 00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:20,559 the if enough scientists get involved 574 00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:22,000 with this topic 575 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,679 that there could be some breakthroughs 576 00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:25,280 eventually i mean are you 577 00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:31,909 yeah so one of our goals you know is to 578 00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:32,720 reach out 579 00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,720 um to academia and um 580 00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,280 that's really important for i think the 581 00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:40,880 future of 582 00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:44,720 sort of the conversation at large um 583 00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,159 you know we we we provide uh services 584 00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,919 that are all listed on our website 585 00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:51,760 we want to have dialogue with the larger 586 00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:54,159 scientific community 587 00:23:02,149 --> 00:22:58,000 and i do think now that i do think now 588 00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:05,990 you know ufo um conversation 589 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:09,360 publicly i do think that more and more 590 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,840 scientists will look at statements um 591 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,360 from the department of defense and say 592 00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,880 you know wow that's quite a remarkable 593 00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,720 statement um 594 00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,440 i don't know how how much on the radar 595 00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,880 this issue is with 596 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,720 with you know scientists in general 597 00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:25,120 around the world but i will say this 598 00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:29,120 that you know speaking about this 599 00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,039 post 2004 is 600 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:35,280 is is it now very much a different 601 00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:37,080 context than it was 602 00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:40,480 pre-2004 before these disclosures 603 00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:42,080 by the new york times before these 604 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,440 videos published by the department of 605 00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:45,360 defense and before 606 00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:48,799 the statement by the dod 607 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,919 right um i'm just going to uh 608 00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:53,760 show i'm just showing up here on the 609 00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,320 screen just a couple of things up for 610 00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,480 people on youtube they can see that 611 00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:00,240 um you know there's there's a lot to dig 612 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:02,799 around um on this website 613 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,320 and have you looked into the new website 614 00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:08,000 called the debrief have you looked into 615 00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,360 that at all 616 00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,279 yeah i've been there a couple of times i 617 00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,480 want to say about 618 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:14,400 maybe three weeks to a month ago now 619 00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:16,840 they published a big story about 620 00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,000 um you know a photograph taken from 621 00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:23,039 what looked to be an f-18 hornet yeah i 622 00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,000 forget the year 623 00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,960 uh of an object and supposedly another 624 00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:29,279 photo that has yet to be published 625 00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,559 right that's a 2019 photo yeah involving 626 00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:34,159 a craft coming out from the ocean yeah 627 00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,039 so um 628 00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,760 i'm familiar with the website yeah yeah 629 00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,960 that would 630 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:42,000 now or something like that um now i had 631 00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,200 heard about this 632 00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:46,000 and i was told to keep it quiet for i 633 00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,880 don't know maybe 634 00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,960 two or three months ahead of time that 635 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,799 there was 636 00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:54,000 that photo of the triangle craft coming 637 00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:55,440 out of the ocean 638 00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:58,480 caught by a uh f-18 639 00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:02,080 hornet uh pilot and 640 00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:05,600 that it was uh going viral within the 641 00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,559 defense 642 00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,679 community you know and so i'm surprised 643 00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,039 it hasn't leaked 644 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:13,120 actually and another thing i was 645 00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,080 contacted by 646 00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:15,919 a gentleman that listens to the show 647 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:17,600 retired a navy 648 00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:21,360 and he's he's saying that uh that 649 00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:23,760 uh well maybe i should try to find his 650 00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:26,240 email but he's basically saying that 651 00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:29,520 it's really taboo to have your 652 00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:32,799 uh iphone your cell phone in a cockpit 653 00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:36,159 because of tracking situations it's very 654 00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:36,880 it's just 655 00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,679 not it's not acceptable and i'm 656 00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:40,400 wondering 657 00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,870 gosh yeah i don't know um 658 00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,640 i don't know the current policy and 659 00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,080 department of defense about 660 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,240 having smartphones on operational 661 00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,400 missions i do know that 662 00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,279 i do know it occurs because um the new 663 00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,440 york times ran a story on this very 664 00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,120 issue i want to say last year maybe the 665 00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:04,559 year before 666 00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,760 and the story was about how um 667 00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:10,240 you know various military personnel who 668 00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:10,960 may be on 669 00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,520 uh on deployment or on a mission you 670 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,480 know if they 671 00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,240 um have certain settings on their 672 00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,480 smartphone turned on then that data can 673 00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,159 be aggregated and you can 674 00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,600 you know if you have access to the data 675 00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:23,360 you can track the movements of you know 676 00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,000 of military 677 00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,159 personnel around the world which would 678 00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:27,760 be a huge huge 679 00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:31,679 operational security concern right so 680 00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,360 you know presumably an article like that 681 00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:35,200 would not have been written if it wasn't 682 00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,200 something that was already happening 683 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,799 so i again i don't know the current 684 00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:43,120 policy but i do know 685 00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:46,080 um you know i mean i would infer from an 686 00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,279 article like that that 687 00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,880 that it has occurred certainly in the 688 00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:50,640 past 689 00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:53,919 now let me just ask you this so do you 690 00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:58,240 um freely talk about the ufo topic 691 00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:01,279 to friends and you know other colleagues 692 00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:01,679 and 693 00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,840 people out there yeah great question um 694 00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,600 i talk about it 695 00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:10,080 with people that i believe might have an 696 00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,269 sorry you try to feel them out to see if 697 00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:19,760 they'll to an extent yeah to an extent i 698 00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,240 mean 699 00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,799 like i said there there is still uh i 700 00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:24,559 think a significant stigma attached to 701 00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:24,799 it 702 00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,080 and um you know i don't i don't 703 00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:30,799 you know randomly interject that i you 704 00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:31,200 know 705 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,440 happened to volunteer for this 706 00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:35,440 non-profit that studies the ufo 707 00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:36,320 phenomenon 708 00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:39,919 um but um but yeah i mean you know i 709 00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,799 certainly uh i i certainly raise it with 710 00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,159 people that i think 711 00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:47,039 you know might be interested um i will 712 00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:47,520 tell you 713 00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,720 one segway that i have found uh to raise 714 00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,000 the topic that's particularly 715 00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:54,000 interesting 716 00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:57,679 is uh astronomy yes um you know i'm i'm 717 00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,240 uh 718 00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,080 you know i've been a fan of the space 719 00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:01,679 program since i was a kid and now that 720 00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,080 we have 721 00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:04,799 you know phones that can tell us exactly 722 00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:06,399 when you know the international space 723 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,360 station's gonna be flying over our homes 724 00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,520 um you know i bought a pair of uh 725 00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,440 astronomy binoculars 726 00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:16,080 uh last year and um you know would go 727 00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:17,360 out and would look at 728 00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:21,039 um you know jupiter and venus and you 729 00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,640 know to see the moons around jupiter for 730 00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,679 the first time through 731 00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,440 you know with your own eyes it's pretty 732 00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,799 is quite a moment 733 00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:29,279 yeah yeah and to see the space station 734 00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,480 fly over 735 00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,640 you know your house uh with a magnitude 736 00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:34,880 of like you know negative 4.0 is 737 00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:38,640 it's brilliant in the sky and i think if 738 00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:39,200 you 739 00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:44,000 scientific progress in the space program 740 00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:45,520 and you find people around you or in 741 00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,720 your neighborhood that also value that 742 00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,640 i do think there are opportunities to 743 00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:52,880 discuss things that you know 744 00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,679 some people may consider rather taboo or 745 00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,279 or some people themselves 746 00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,480 may be a little reluctant to discuss 747 00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,600 um so again yeah i i talk about it with 748 00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:05,440 people that i believe 749 00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:08,559 might have an interest in it yeah i it's 750 00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:09,440 kind of funny 751 00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,120 i i i kind of do too 752 00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:15,919 um you know i i'm reluctant to i mean 753 00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,080 i've had a number of people 754 00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,919 that um i'm in the fine arts and 755 00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:21,600 antiques and appraiser and 756 00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:24,080 i'm fairly well known for that type of 757 00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,720 work 758 00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:27,279 and uh i've had a few other people 759 00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:28,320 across the country 760 00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:31,360 call me and tell me oh my god 761 00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:34,159 i can't believe you're you're here into 762 00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,799 this 763 00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,720 i and then they tell me about a sighting 764 00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:38,799 and and then they had and 765 00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,720 you know why they're interested in it 766 00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:43,039 and uh i'm gonna say that's been about 767 00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,679 four different people in the uh that 768 00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:46,640 that are actually 769 00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,760 antique dealers or one was on tv that 770 00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:51,120 was pretty interesting 771 00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,120 um and anyway it's really 772 00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,520 it's really interesting and it really 773 00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,120 you can get a feel i've 774 00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:01,679 figured it out you can get a feel about 775 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,520 how someone reacts to one question 776 00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:05,360 whether they're going to be open 777 00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,399 to it yeah um like like for instance 778 00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,240 when the navy came out 779 00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,600 and said that you know they about those 780 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,799 when they were talking about those 781 00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:15,760 videos 782 00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,799 i was at a retired navy um a young 783 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,720 retired navy 784 00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,760 gentleman's house and uh i said hey did 785 00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,360 you see that about 786 00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,600 you know the navy releasing ufos yeah 787 00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,360 i've been following that and then 788 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,960 i feel comfortable talking to someone 789 00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,640 about it but you have to 790 00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,640 you know someone has to be kind of open 791 00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:36,000 the door a little bit 792 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,840 otherwise uh you know you can get the 793 00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,760 feeling of the taboo 794 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,520 you know when i'm there appraising fine 795 00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,200 art and i talk about ufos they 796 00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,399 might say get out of here 797 00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:48,080 yeah yeah that's what i found i mean you 798 00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,919 know the the fact that it's in a major 799 00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,840 publication like the new york times or 800 00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,600 it's it's uh 801 00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:55,120 it's in a statement released by the 802 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:56,480 department of defense i mean that 803 00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,200 certainly 804 00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,399 provides um you know a level of 805 00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:02,559 credibility to just to start discussing 806 00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,679 the issue 807 00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,679 i think with people who who might be 808 00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:07,279 interested in ways that just weren't 809 00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,240 possible 810 00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:11,200 before um so you know for example if you 811 00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,159 have friends who 812 00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,000 you know are regular readers of the the 813 00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:16,399 news you know you might say hey did you 814 00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,840 see the article of the new york times 815 00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:19,120 about this or that or did you you know 816 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,320 if you have friends with the military 817 00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:22,000 did you see the art the 818 00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,440 statement that the department of defense 819 00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,440 released you know um 820 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,519 which again i think speaks to the fact 821 00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:29,440 that we are now living in a different 822 00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,960 kind of uh a different context 823 00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:35,519 in uh you know what i call a post nimitz 824 00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:36,640 you know 825 00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,840 ufo discussion i think that's a great 826 00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,399 i think that's a great term um because 827 00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,000 nothing out well it's actually 828 00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,600 i've said a number of times it's post 829 00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:47,039 new york times 830 00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,440 you know december um 16 2017 article 831 00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,279 you know when that when that came out 832 00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:54,799 even though it was 833 00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,679 the that exact same topic was totally 834 00:32:02,950 --> 00:31:59,120 discussed by 835 00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:02,960 you know to the stars and tom delonge 836 00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:05,440 on a video i watched the live stream 837 00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:06,159 video 838 00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:09,200 back in the october ahead of that it 839 00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,080 didn't really 840 00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,399 change anything but once that came out 841 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,000 the front page of the new york times 842 00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:17,679 it changed everything yeah um 843 00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:21,279 you know again it's the conversations 844 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:22,799 that are happening today 845 00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:25,760 um and i would say that the the level of 846 00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:26,480 engagement 847 00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:29,919 and and the the walks of life 848 00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,120 um of people that are you know becoming 849 00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:34,640 interested in this topic is 850 00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:38,320 is certainly a a very a very different 851 00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:39,919 pool than what would have existed 852 00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,200 um you know 20 years ago yeah i'm 853 00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:45,200 opening the phone lines i know this is a 854 00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,039 you know just a one-hour show here 855 00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,600 so if anyone would has a question for 856 00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:51,039 our guest tonight 857 00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,960 um please call in that number is 858 00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:56,799 two five four eight 855-472-5483 and 859 00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:00,240 bill will be standing by 860 00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:09,590 um and as far as the um 861 00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,880 the dod um do you think 862 00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,200 or as far as the government in general 863 00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:17,360 do you feel as though they may 864 00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,279 uh just soften up to this topic and and 865 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:24,000 let it out there more you know because 866 00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,760 it seems more credible than it did 867 00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,039 you know three years ago like you 868 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:31,919 mentioned yeah um 869 00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:35,840 that's a good question um you know my 870 00:33:42,549 --> 00:33:39,360 my sort of gut instinct is that you know 871 00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:42,559 the the department of defense um 872 00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,559 will not say anything um unless there is 873 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,720 uh you know a compelling reason for them 874 00:33:53,350 --> 00:33:50,240 to make a statement 875 00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,360 i i feel as if that the i believe it was 876 00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,880 april of last year when the department 877 00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,519 of defense 878 00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:58,000 made their you know admission that you 879 00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,120 know we we don't 880 00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,000 we don't know what these objects are um 881 00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:04,000 in some in some ways i believe that 882 00:34:09,190 --> 00:34:07,519 statement um sort of had to be made 883 00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,200 because they had authorized 884 00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:12,480 the release of the the videos 885 00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,159 um so it's it's hard for me to have a 886 00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:18,000 you know it's hard for me to make a 887 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:19,760 prediction about you know how open 888 00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:22,480 they're going to be in the future 889 00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:26,480 i will say this that having spoken to 890 00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:30,800 some of the witnesses um of the nimitz 891 00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:34,320 encounter that they 892 00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:39,359 have told me that 893 00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:42,879 their former shipmates some of whom they 894 00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,760 did not know 895 00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,399 necessarily are friends with on the ship 896 00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,399 uh or ships i should say 897 00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,359 um have started to come forward and and 898 00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:52,800 talk to them 899 00:35:02,950 --> 00:34:57,599 um so i do think that 900 00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,960 um i do think that the more 901 00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,280 the more attention you know the more 902 00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,359 daylight that this issue is given 903 00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,599 uh the more likely it is that you know 904 00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,280 uh the department of defense 905 00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,200 um and our government will have to you 906 00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,640 know have to respond to that 907 00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,079 it's just hard to predict you know to 908 00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,800 what degree you're or or the reasons why 909 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,040 yeah you know i've said many times you 910 00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:24,880 know that uh 911 00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:28,400 if they do not have any idea what they 912 00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:29,200 are 913 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:32,720 it's almost to their benefit for them to 914 00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:35,920 sweep it under the rug and to you know 915 00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,520 do what they've been doing for the last 916 00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:39,920 70 years 917 00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:42,960 because they have no if you know their 918 00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:44,720 they have no control over what's in our 919 00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:47,040 skies it could be scary to a lot of 920 00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:48,240 people 921 00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,920 yeah as i said earlier you know if it's 922 00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,599 not if it's not 923 00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,200 otherworldly craft that we're dealing 924 00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:55,440 with here then you know 925 00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,720 we have some major major major 926 00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,680 worries um right you know because that 927 00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,680 means potential adversaries have access 928 00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:04,720 to technology 929 00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,720 that is you know running circles around 930 00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,880 professionally trained you know 931 00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,079 top-notch pilots 932 00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:14,960 uh that's that's and it was worrying to 933 00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,359 if 934 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,400 you ever listened to uh you know uh 935 00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,240 david fravor speak about this 936 00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,720 yeah um you know he he basically says 937 00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,560 the same thing that you know if it's not 938 00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:26,320 otherworldly than 939 00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:29,760 you know our nation has uh 940 00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:33,920 uh cause to be concerned yeah absolutely 941 00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,119 we have uh luis on 942 00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,680 from l.a on the line luis welcome to the 943 00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,280 show 944 00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:42,800 hey thanks martin for having me as 945 00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:44,480 always uh awesome yeah 946 00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,560 always thanks for uh for having us 947 00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,480 guests on uh my question for mr lace 948 00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,760 thank you for coming on by the way i 949 00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:51,200 really appreciate your perspective and 950 00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,160 all of this 951 00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,599 um i'm a big fan of arkham's razor and 952 00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:57,760 i think arkham's razor on this topic is 953 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,870 humans have figured out a exotic 954 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:07,200 form of propulsion our military somehow 955 00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,160 it's figured out 956 00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,560 something just crazy and they don't know 957 00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:12,079 how to apply it yet 958 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,599 similar to you know the f-117 nighthawk 959 00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:16,880 that thing was 960 00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,560 bombing missions in 1981. it wasn't 961 00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,440 publicly introduced i believe until 1988 962 00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,000 so could we just be dealing with 963 00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,880 something that is built by human hands 964 00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,680 because i don't 965 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:32,720 put it past human ingenuity to create 966 00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,680 something like this 967 00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,200 but we just haven't figured out how to 968 00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:36,880 release it into society 969 00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,240 mitchu kaku says that you know as humans 970 00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,240 will have the ability to create 971 00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:44,800 matter within the next 20 years a 972 00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,440 machine 973 00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,079 that creates that creates matter but the 974 00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:49,760 problem with a machine like that is that 975 00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:50,000 you 976 00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:52,640 can't apply it to society and just throw 977 00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,599 it into 978 00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,280 everyday society and say okay good luck 979 00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,800 with the matter making machine 980 00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,560 you know it would take a hundred years 981 00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,960 before you ever saw that machine 982 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,440 sold to the public for you know whatever 983 00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:04,960 reason you know if you want to type in 984 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:06,480 football it will give you a football 985 00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,320 and we can see that coming with 3d 986 00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,599 printing and 987 00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,880 3d printers will be printing organs so 988 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,720 i guess you know long story short what 989 00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,320 are the what are the odds 990 00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:18,160 that what we're dealing with here is 991 00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,520 something man 992 00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:22,400 made something that just is so top 993 00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,440 secret that it is 994 00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:26,079 out of the realm of maybe even military 995 00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:26,800 hands 996 00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,240 and it is securely fastened uh uh 997 00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,520 faceted to the private sector 998 00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:35,520 um i know that's a loaded question 999 00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,880 there's a lot going on there but if you 1000 00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,839 can answer it the 1001 00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,200 the best way you can and i know it's 1002 00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,040 speculation as well so you know i'm 1003 00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:42,480 speculating of course as well that's 1004 00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,240 just kind of my theory but i'd like to 1005 00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,760 hear what you think about that and i'll 1006 00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,280 hang up and listen thank you again 1007 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,119 jonathan and martin you guys roll 1008 00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,200 goodbye thanks yeah 1009 00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,480 yeah luis uh gosh great question um 1010 00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,880 one that i've had myself uh many many 1011 00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:57,520 times and 1012 00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,720 and to some extent still do 1013 00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,440 i guess the short answer is i mean also 1014 00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,520 having an affinity for uh for occam's 1015 00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,359 razor 1016 00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:09,599 i guess the short answer is you know i 1017 00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:10,560 guess it is 1018 00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,520 it is possible i don't want to get a 1019 00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:14,960 degree of probability 1020 00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,280 um you know with regard to that 1021 00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:20,960 uh but i think it's important to have an 1022 00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:23,440 open mind right and not to make any uh 1023 00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:26,720 not to make any uh you know uh 1024 00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,920 unwarranted claims or or you know uh 1025 00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:31,200 preordained come to any sort of 1026 00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,280 pre-ordained conclusions about 1027 00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,480 about this question um if it is 1028 00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:39,440 something that we have produced um you 1029 00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,480 know 1030 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,560 i'll just say this it's remarkable that 1031 00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:44,000 it's been kept secret 1032 00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:47,440 um the way that it has presumably for so 1033 00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:48,160 long 1034 00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,320 at least since 2004 um 1035 00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,960 and if it is something that we have 1036 00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:55,680 created 1037 00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,599 it has the potential to change you know 1038 00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,839 almost every facet of our daily life as 1039 00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:03,040 we know it 1040 00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:06,640 and um you know deserves to be uh 1041 00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:09,359 deserves you know disclosure and and 1042 00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:09,920 deserve 1043 00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,079 to be uh you know treated with kit 1044 00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:13,599 gloves as it's sort of 1045 00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:16,960 slowly rolled out into society um 1046 00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,960 you know so yeah it i guess it is 1047 00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,359 definitely a possibility and again 1048 00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:23,599 if it's not otherworldly right if it is 1049 00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:24,880 something that is 1050 00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,920 terrestrial then that technology um 1051 00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:30,400 could also be displayed uh or fall into 1052 00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,599 the hands of 1053 00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,440 you know people that have adverse 1054 00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,599 attentions intentions against the united 1055 00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,720 states and 1056 00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,240 i know from a national security 1057 00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,920 perspective i think that's what has 1058 00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,280 motivated uh 1059 00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:44,000 people like senator marco rubio um who 1060 00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,119 to his credit 1061 00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,839 you know has raised this issue um in 1062 00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:48,560 official 1063 00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,000 senate 1064 00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,119 um so yeah great question and i um i 1065 00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:58,319 i you know i i share that that 1066 00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:01,520 uh yeah i don't want to say belief that 1067 00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,359 it is probably man-made but i certainly 1068 00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,200 hold that possibility open 1069 00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:06,720 i think it's really important i'm just 1070 00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,599 going to say i think it's really 1071 00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,960 important to 1072 00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:11,920 you know uh especially in a case in a 1073 00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:14,720 situation like this to reserve judgment 1074 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,520 um instead of instead of making 1075 00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:19,680 statements about what you know 1076 00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,640 people you know uh you know claim that 1077 00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,800 it is it's probably safer to 1078 00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:27,760 proceed and rule out what we what it uh 1079 00:41:31,070 --> 00:41:28,720 what we really 1080 00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:31,080 what we know it not to be um 1081 00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:32,240 [Music] 1082 00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,680 yeah so well my my thoughts are 1083 00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:38,000 why would they release it when it could 1084 00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:39,359 have 1085 00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:42,880 um an encounter with a military exercise 1086 00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,480 you know i mean why why would they do 1087 00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,720 that and you know you may say well 1088 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,560 maybe to see how the reaction would be 1089 00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:50,560 but there could have been a very bad 1090 00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,440 reaction 1091 00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:54,000 you know that could have been uh well 1092 00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:55,040 actually they weren't 1093 00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,280 hot they didn't have uh i don't think 1094 00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,200 they had any weapons aboard 1095 00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,359 i believe they didn't during exercise 1096 00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,800 but still they could have 1097 00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,720 you know they could have uh thought this 1098 00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:06,079 thing was a major threat 1099 00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,280 and uh you know i i just wonder what 1100 00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,040 went on behind the scenes like 1101 00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:13,920 did someone talk to someone an upper you 1102 00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,480 know in the upper government to say hey 1103 00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,079 do you know what's going on and 1104 00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,560 did they know you know i mean i guess 1105 00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:22,079 that's where the answers would lie i 1106 00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,800 don't know 1107 00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,440 yeah especially when we have you know um 1108 00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,040 you know statements from 1109 00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,960 the uh the uh the alleged eyewitnesses 1110 00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,839 who claim 1111 00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:34,240 that um and by the way when i say 1112 00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,520 alleged eyewitnesses i'm not saying i 1113 00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,960 don't believe their story i'm just 1114 00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,920 saying that you know 1115 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,440 i wasn't there you know you weren't 1116 00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,920 there um so i'm just trying to treat it 1117 00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,760 you know with uh with a bit of epistemic 1118 00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,680 humility as it were 1119 00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:47,760 um but you know statements from the 1120 00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,040 alleged eyewitnesses 1121 00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:52,160 uh claim that within minutes right after 1122 00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,560 this encounter especially in 2004 1123 00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,160 you know there were air force personnel 1124 00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:58,160 i believe right uh you know yeah air 1125 00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,040 force personnel 1126 00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,160 on the ship um you know who 1127 00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,319 no doubt knew about it uh i'm sure they 1128 00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,599 were probably monitoring it from 1129 00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:07,040 california 1130 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,319 um and so then that raises the question 1131 00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:11,760 right i mean were they monitoring it 1132 00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,720 because they 1133 00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,920 they knew it was going to happen and 1134 00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,760 which would sort of lend credence to the 1135 00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,319 to the hypothesis that it really is sort 1136 00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:20,640 of you know our technology 1137 00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:23,359 being deployed um or did they you know 1138 00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:24,400 happen to see it 1139 00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:27,440 uh or you know and get alerted to it 1140 00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:29,760 um and why would they take the bricks 1141 00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:30,880 you know the 1142 00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,240 data bricks well i mean i guess you 1143 00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,839 could argue they would take it to see 1144 00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:36,960 how 1145 00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:42,079 things like that 1146 00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,000 let's see we have uh we have another 1147 00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,920 caller we have 1148 00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:48,079 steve calling from oregon welcome to the 1149 00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,829 hello steve you there 1150 00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,079 uh bill i'm not sure what's going on 1151 00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,950 i have him on the on the line on the air 1152 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,960 but can you hear me okay there he is 1153 00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,960 there he is all right welcome to this 1154 00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:08,480 row steve okay 1155 00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,390 steve you have a question for our guest 1156 00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,640 can you hear me okay bill 1157 00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:21,200 um i don't think he's hearing us bill so 1158 00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:22,400 i'm going to drop that 1159 00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:26,240 so we'll uh okay so um 1160 00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:30,480 okay so you got me now yeah 1161 00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:34,640 i do have a okay question go ahead 1162 00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,950 all right we're going to move on i'm 1163 00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,240 sorry about that 1164 00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,800 um i'm not sure what the uh issue was 1165 00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,640 with that 1166 00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,280 but um yeah it's it's something to 1167 00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,200 certainly ponder 1168 00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,920 as far as you know what what these 1169 00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:54,880 things are 1170 00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,680 and yeah there's always i mean we should 1171 00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,960 look at everything 1172 00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:01,520 with a skeptic's eye to try to figure 1173 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,960 out what it is 1174 00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,000 and uh you know kind of by 1175 00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,480 process of elimination that's kind of 1176 00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:09,920 what they do with the you know 1177 00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,920 ufo reports you know was it could have 1178 00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:14,000 been venus could it have been 1179 00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,680 you know hot air balloon what was going 1180 00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,440 on in the sky at that time like you said 1181 00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:19,200 the international space station was that 1182 00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:20,319 flying over 1183 00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:22,160 you know all these questions to 1184 00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,359 eliminate 1185 00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:24,880 everything it is but when it comes to 1186 00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,760 those encounters it's awful hard to 1187 00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:28,800 eliminate 1188 00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,240 a lot of things yeah 1189 00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:33,760 i want to revisit something i mentioned 1190 00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,319 earlier you had asked about um 1191 00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,920 the possibility that it's a laser 1192 00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:40,160 induced plasma filament right which was 1193 00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:43,920 a hypothesis put forward in forbes 1194 00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,440 magazine i i want to just correct 1195 00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,960 something i think i said 1196 00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,680 i'm pretty sure that in the research 1197 00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,000 that i did on this 1198 00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:56,079 that it would not have been visible on 1199 00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:57,599 radar 1200 00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:01,680 if it were a if it were indeed a 3d 1201 00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:05,200 you know projected image i wrote um i 1202 00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,720 actually wrote an article on this 1203 00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,440 in the scu review and those are 1204 00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:11,440 newsletters that primarily circulate to 1205 00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,800 our membership but then later our 1206 00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,400 release to the public 1207 00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:17,280 and those are all located on the um on 1208 00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,520 our website 1209 00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,960 explorescu.org so if you click on 1210 00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:22,960 research blog 1211 00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:25,599 research and publications blog you can 1212 00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:26,480 find the sc 1213 00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:30,000 review you can also find links to our 1214 00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,000 larger studies involving for example 1215 00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,839 the nimitz report i think our nimitz 1216 00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:38,000 report is something on the order of 270 1217 00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:39,040 pages long 1218 00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:42,319 wow there's also a report on the 2013 1219 00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:43,760 aguadilla 1220 00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,800 um oh yes i love that one yeah 1221 00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,960 yeah we have uh we're gonna try steve 1222 00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:50,400 again we have someone else on the line 1223 00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,280 too 1224 00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,720 steve let's give you another try you 1225 00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:57,270 yeah can you hear me okay we hear you 1226 00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,640 now 1227 00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,920 yeah you better blurt your question 1228 00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,480 where you have a chance 1229 00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,680 okay all right so my question is this 1230 00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:07,520 so you're out in this carrier group and 1231 00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,359 you come across this thing that's flying 1232 00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:12,160 circles around the best of the best 1233 00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:14,240 why don't you stop what you're doing why 1234 00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,680 don't you stop what you're doing 1235 00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:17,839 and just keep investigating because the 1236 00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:20,559 one thing you would need to investigate 1237 00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:23,839 is a carrier group because you're 125 or 1238 00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,319 whatever 1239 00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,960 however many hundreds of miles offshore 1240 00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:28,720 you would need a carrier group 1241 00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:31,920 with planes that could investigate 1242 00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,800 and i that's where i have problems with 1243 00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:36,880 this story it just doesn't make sense 1244 00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,000 that 1245 00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,200 the pentagon and said 1246 00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,960 hey we got something flying circles 1247 00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,880 around the best of the best 1248 00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:47,200 what do you want us to do but all the 1249 00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,319 people martin had 1250 00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:50,800 on his show who were on the carrier 1251 00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:51,920 group the 1252 00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:55,280 radar people and that pj guy they said 1253 00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,640 they just continued on with the 1254 00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,800 exercises 1255 00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:00,880 that's pretty strange that just doesn't 1256 00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:03,200 sound credible 1257 00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:07,839 there's something wrong about that 1258 00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,520 yep unless um you know unless they knew 1259 00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:12,960 it was going to happen 1260 00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,240 you know which is another thing 1261 00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,960 uh you know that could point what fits 1262 00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,000 the 1263 00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,160 what fits that bill for this is like 1264 00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,599 skunk works 1265 00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,720 and some super advanced drone 1266 00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,800 like you know maybe some kind of energy 1267 00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,079 cell drone and 1268 00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:32,400 and that the tic tac that they were 1269 00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:33,440 seeing was just 1270 00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,480 like the outside shroud of a drone 1271 00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,880 and they couldn't really tell what was 1272 00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,200 happening inside 1273 00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:43,599 you know they couldn't see you know any 1274 00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:46,160 kind of propulsion system inside 1275 00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:49,520 clearly it wasn't you know 1276 00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,559 uh like petroleum 1277 00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:54,400 it wasn't you know because there was no 1278 00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:55,680 heat signature 1279 00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,880 right uh so steve um i don't 1280 00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,079 know if you want to chime in with 1281 00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:02,000 anything but um my 1282 00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:05,440 my thought is um why 1283 00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,119 would the uh why would the navy then 1284 00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,040 say that was one of the three released 1285 00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:13,200 videos that they had no idea what it is 1286 00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,160 do you think 1287 00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,000 if it was something from skunkworks that 1288 00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,880 they're just playing the game 1289 00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:22,079 so what about this what what about 1290 00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,920 they're looking at drone footage that 1291 00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,920 and stuff that they've been sent and 1292 00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:29,760 stuff that they encountered 1293 00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,800 and they just don't know what it is and 1294 00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,319 what they're really saying is we just 1295 00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,760 don't know what that is 1296 00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,920 but they're not suggesting in any way 1297 00:49:44,069 --> 00:49:40,640 shape or form that is otherworldly 1298 00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:44,079 that's true they probably probably think 1299 00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,400 it's 1300 00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,000 you know some sort of drone they just 1301 00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,839 don't know whose it is or how they made 1302 00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:48,720 it 1303 00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,000 yeah any comment on that gosh 1304 00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:54,319 no i mean without knowing um you know 1305 00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:56,240 without knowing operational 1306 00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,680 procedures or policies of the us navy um 1307 00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,440 you know be hard for me to speak to that 1308 00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,800 i mean those are all 1309 00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,880 i suppose valid questions but i'm pretty 1310 00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,480 sure if you know if commander fraber 1311 00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,319 were here he would have a 1312 00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,599 probably a really good a really good 1313 00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:11,200 response to that so i don't want to 1314 00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:12,400 speculate 1315 00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,440 uh on that um on that really at all 1316 00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:18,480 i mean i yeah so i i don't know yeah hey 1317 00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:19,599 thanks for the call steve 1318 00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:22,480 i can't all right all right thanks see 1319 00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:22,880 you guys 1320 00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:24,319 i mean to cut you off did you have a 1321 00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:30,470 yeah all right so we have uh andy uh 1322 00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:32,319 andy from connecticut 1323 00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,160 uh frequent flyer andy how are you doing 1324 00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,359 hi yes good to uh talk again hey there's 1325 00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:41,200 a kind of a multi-part question 1326 00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:44,640 for the guests um firstly are 1327 00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:47,760 is his group planning on only uh 1328 00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,599 reacting to or responding to um 1329 00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,040 events in the ufo field as they occur 1330 00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,240 or are they addressing other big cases 1331 00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:01,200 in the recent past like o'hare or the 1332 00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:02,240 jal 1333 00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:05,839 airlines over alaska and so on 1334 00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:09,680 and then also do they have any thoughts 1335 00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:10,559 on 1336 00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:16,800 or intergalactic or uh 1337 00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,920 or something else based on the flight 1338 00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:21,680 characteristics 1339 00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,640 and um you know all the eyewitness 1340 00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:26,240 testimony and the radar 1341 00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,640 uh recordings and then lastly 1342 00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,839 um you know what do they think going 1343 00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:35,119 forward 1344 00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:38,800 do they have a plan in place to 1345 00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,480 um bring the the the uh media 1346 00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,359 and that you know popular culture on 1347 00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,960 board with 1348 00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:49,599 what might really be happening given 1349 00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,559 history 1350 00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,880 going you know back thousands of years 1351 00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:54,640 with 1352 00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,520 where you know uh tv shows like ancient 1353 00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,640 aliens and 1354 00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,079 and things are kind of taking the 1355 00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,760 subject right well 1356 00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:04,160 just keep in mind we have four minutes a 1357 00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,240 lot to unpack in four minutes there okay 1358 00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:08,480 right yeah uh thank you so much andy for 1359 00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,599 the question 1360 00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:12,720 um so to the first question um 1361 00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:15,920 you know the scu uh will investigate 1362 00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,440 um any claims of uap or ufo activity for 1363 00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:20,800 which there's a sufficient amount of 1364 00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,440 data to make a scientific analysis 1365 00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,800 um you know when you have 1366 00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,880 you know a case that's primarily based 1367 00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,440 on eyewitness testimony 1368 00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,119 without any sort of other kind of 1369 00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,920 testimony that really kind of limits 1370 00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,640 uh you know the kind of scient 1371 00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:40,800 scientific analysis that can be done 1372 00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:42,559 you know scientific analysis requires 1373 00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:44,240 objective data 1374 00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,599 and um you know to the extent that 1375 00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,000 that a case or an incident has that i 1376 00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,680 think you know uh the scu 1377 00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:53,440 has a compelling interest in looking at 1378 00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:54,720 that 1379 00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,720 might be you know come to light tomorrow 1380 00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,440 uh that applies to you know cases like 1381 00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:02,960 the nimitz encounter 1382 00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,559 um you know aguadilla etc 1383 00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,280 so i would say that you know any case 1384 00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,800 for which there is 1385 00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,880 a sufficient amount of data for 1386 00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,880 objective scientific analysis the sc 1387 00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,640 would be interested in 1388 00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:18,240 uh could you could you tell me again 1389 00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:20,800 your second question very quickly sorry 1390 00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:24,240 he's hung up um i 1391 00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,280 i think one of his one of his 1392 00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:30,480 other two questions was you know to what 1393 00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,040 extent 1394 00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:33,760 is the scu engaging with the larger 1395 00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:34,400 culture 1396 00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:38,640 i can tell you that you know scu we get 1397 00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:42,160 media requests on a fairly regular basis 1398 00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:45,680 and uh you know we um we respond to 1399 00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,640 those requests 1400 00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:49,680 and we want to be very careful 1401 00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,119 that we lend our name and that of our 1402 00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,720 organization 1403 00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:57,839 um to uh projects 1404 00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:01,040 uh that we believe meet uh meet the 1405 00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:01,920 standards that 1406 00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,960 that we have for ourselves um 1407 00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,440 so there are i i think you know it's 1408 00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,359 fair to say that there 1409 00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:11,200 there is a lot of interest in this topic 1410 00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:12,880 now in the media versus 1411 00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:15,040 from what there may have been prior to 1412 00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,040 december 16 1413 00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,040 2017 and um 1414 00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:22,160 i think that the future will um you know 1415 00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:23,280 hold some 1416 00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:25,920 some very promising work for the scu not 1417 00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:26,400 only 1418 00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:30,160 in you know scientific analysis of uap 1419 00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:33,280 claims but also in our effort 1420 00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:36,839 to engage um and partner with other 1421 00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:39,520 organizations that want to engage 1422 00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,160 the larger public um just in the chat 1423 00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:44,160 joe sorry we can't uh we don't have time 1424 00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,359 to answer your 1425 00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,720 question but uh uh a ufo will always be 1426 00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,240 ufo the very name means 1427 00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:52,960 unidentified yes that's right once it's 1428 00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,000 identified it's an 1429 00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,359 ifo identified flying object or whatever 1430 00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,559 aerial object 1431 00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,920 but uh iao whatever uh anyway uh 1432 00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:04,000 we are at the end of the show so i want 1433 00:55:07,990 --> 00:55:04,960 to thank you 1434 00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:08,000 um so much for your time tonight and i 1435 00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,200 really appreciate it 1436 00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:11,680 it was great all right all right you 1437 00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:12,559 take care now 1438 00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,079 you too thanks martin all right thanks 1439 00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,480 okay everyone so i am going to switch 1440 00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,319 computers and if you're on 1441 00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:23,440 uh kgra radio 1442 00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,720 i will be right back after about five 1443 00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:28,000 minutes or so 1444 00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,520 if you're on youtube you want to jump 1445 00:55:36,030 --> 00:55:31,680 over to the other stream